#4. Boundaries in Your Private Practice: Breaking Down the WHY and the HOW
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If you struggle with saying no to session times that don't work well for your schedule, chances are it's a boundary issue. If you constantly bring work home with you and feel resentful while you do it, chances are it's a boundary issue. If you have a hard time with shutting your office door and getting work done, then--you guessed it--you probably have a boundary issue.
As busy clinicians or private practice owners, we're givers and helpers. We want to make everyone happy, especially our clients and our staff. As a result, it can be difficult to establish--and enforce--boundaries in the workplace. In today's episode, I'm breaking down the five most common challenges I see with my coaching clients when it comes to setting boundaries in the workplace. We'll uncover what they are and what you can do to avoid falling into these traps. If you're ready to create a work environment that works for YOU, then tune in to today's episode.
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Episode Transcript*:
This is Your Speech Path: Mindful Time Management for the Busy SLP. My name is Theresa Harp and, as a mom and speech pathologist turned productivity coach, I know a thing or two about how hectic life can be. If you're an SLP who's overworked, burnt out and feeling like you're constantly falling short as a therapist and a mom, then this is the podcast for you. I cover time management and mindset strategies so you can learn to love your work and your home life at the same time. Let's dive in.
Hey podcast listeners, welcome back.
Speaker 1:0:38
This is your Speech Path and I am so excited to be here today talking a little bit more about boundaries and, specifically today, boundaries in the workplace. So that is the plan, that is the topic and I've got a lot to say. So I'm going to try my best not to ramble and to be mindful of your time Right Boundaries, boundaries, boundaries. Last week's episode was about boundaries in your schedule, so boundaries when it comes to scheduling clients, scheduling appointments, creating time for things that you want to work into your schedule, all that type of stuff, and that's going to come up a little bit today, but for the most part, I'm going to be talking about the four most common areas where I think other SLPs should look a little bit more closely at their boundaries. So this is going to vary a little bit depending upon what setting you work in whether you are working as a private practice owner or you work in a private practice, versus if you are, say, in the school setting or home health or hospital setting, something like that. I think most of the examples and most of the content that we're going to talk about today will really relate to you, regardless of what setting you're in. But you just might hear me give some examples that are more relevant to private practice or home health, because those are the two areas, the two settings that I've had the most experience in. So just keep that in mind. But what I want you to do is listen to what we're going to go over today and listen to what resonates with you, what you can kind of identify with as a struggle, and I'm going to give you some questions and some strategies that you can use to make some changes. If you are struggling with boundaries in the workplace, okay, all right, so let's do it.
Speaker 1:2:52
The first boundary that I have noticed that comes up with my clients, with my coaching clients and with just other colleagues, other SLPs, friends and colleagues who I've worked with or worked around, is setting boundaries with the types of clients that they're going to treat. And I see this more often with newer SLPs or newer private practice owners. Maybe they've been speech pathologists for a long time, but now they're opening up a private practice and they're realizing that they're responsible for their income, and a lot of times what that looks like is saying yes to any client, even if it's not the best client for them to work with. Now, I'm not saying that we can only work with our best clients or we should only work with our best clients. That's not realistic, that's not necessary, it's not really all that ethical. But what I mean by this is choosing the clients that you feel like you can serve. You can serve well and you're going to enjoy doing it, because what you don't want to happen is you start getting all these calls from all these different potential clients and you think you have to say yes to everyone because you need to fill your schedule and you need income.
Speaker 1:4:22
Sometimes I see this too, in work settings, where your caseload is being given to you and it's a client that you don't really feel equipped to handle. And now, let's face it honestly when you're new to the game, when you're new SLP, all clients feel that way. Right, most clients you kind of feel like ill equipped to handle. But even for those who have been doing this for a little bit longer, some more seasoned SLPs sometimes if you're an employee or a contractor, you might feel like you can't say no to a client, and that might be the case if you're an employee. That might be the case actually in your workplace. So that's something that you have to really consider and think about and talk about.
Speaker 1:5:11
But I've seen a lot of coaching clients and a lot of colleagues just kind of take on any client that they're given because they're afraid to speak up, they're afraid to say that they don't know how to serve this client. They are not really sure what to do, and so then what happens is you wind up working with clients that you are not qualified to treat. You know, be like me. In my private practice, all I do is hearing loss. It would be like me starting to treat kids with autism. I'm not the best person for them. I would not be able to meet their needs.
Speaker 1:5:47
So what I would encourage you to do if this is something that's kind of resonating with you is to ask yourself who were like think back on your past clients and who were my favorite or my most memorable clients, and why. What was it about them that made them so memorable and made them so enjoyable? Also, asking about which clients that you look forward to seeing and why. So, thinking about your current caseload, who are the ones? Who are the sessions, who are the clients that you look forward to seeing? But what is it specifically about those clients that you enjoy? Because what you can do through those two questions is start to kind of cultivate a list of what you like best and what you feel best prepared to serve to work with. Because then the third question that you would want to ask yourself is what population do I feel most equipped to treat?
Speaker 1:6:57
Now, my caveat here with that question is just don't use that question against yourself to stay small, because when you are starting out, or really at any point in your career, you need to take clients that are going to push you outside of your comfort zone, that are going to introduce you to new things and help you learn and grow. So you don't want to just only take the ones that you know how to treat and that you're comfortable with. You do want to step outside your comfort zone to a certain extent, but you don't want to overextend Because what will happen is the sessions won't go well, you will not be enjoying your job, you're going to feel burnout, you're going to dread going to work. You know all those, all those thoughts and feelings that come up, all right. So that's boundaries with the types of clients.
Speaker 1:7:50
Similarly, the second area that I see come up a lot is boundaries with the clients themselves. So at the beginning of your career, this might look like you, you know, struggling to find your footing in terms of how professional to show up versus how human Right, because you want to be a human and you want to connect and you want to share and get to know them. But you also need to maintain boundaries. You need to maintain a certain degree of privacy and professionalism. So really deciding how much you want to share, how much you want to open up and share, and also recognizing those times when families might overshare, right.
Speaker 1:8:39
So sometimes we get into situations where families are sharing things that we, that are outside our scope of practice or that really aren't relevant to their child's treatment, and we have to get really clear and comfortable with expressing that. You know this isn't something that concerns speech, this really isn't something that we can talk about, but here is someone that I can refer you to, or here is some, some place or some person that I think you might want to reach out to. But thank you for sharing Right. Well, thank you for sharing that, but this happens a lot in home health. I worked in early intervention for a long time and so when you're in people's homes, you get a really clear picture or a really no intimate is probably the right word of family dynamics, and you're just seeing people in their most comfortable setting, in their most comfortable you know experience as their most comfortable selves, and so you see things and hear things that probably you might not otherwise know if you're in another setting. So those boundaries work both ways it's boundaries with you sharing things and boundaries with what is being shared with you.
Speaker 1:10:04
But this also looks like scheduling. Now, I know I talked last week about scheduling, but this also looks like just simply having clients arrive for their sessions and leave their sessions on time. So I consider this to be a boundary with the client rather than a boundary with schedule, although I mean it's sort of like an issue of semantics at this point, but you, I'm sure, have been in the situation where you've had families that arrive late for their sessions. Or, if you go to their home, you arrive and they're not there, or they arrive on time but they always run over Right. So they're, you know the session is ending and they're still in the room trying to have a conversation with you and ask you a million questions.
Speaker 1:10:56
And what I encourage my coaching clients to do when these scenarios happen is To pay attention to the thoughts that are running through your mind in those moments. Listen, like just pause, and listen to. What are the? What are the thoughts, the fleeting thoughts that you're thinking, that your brain is Offering you, that you probably might not even be aware of, but you have to kind of pause and and check in with yourself Because, depending upon what those thoughts are, then we'll know what the best approach is of how to handle it. So maybe you're thinking I don't want to, I don't want to rush them, I don't want them to feel rushed and I don't want to rush them out the door, or I don't want to be rude, I don't want them to think that I don't care about them or that all I care about is Cranking out sessions and making money, right? So these are the thoughts that I have had. These are thoughts that I know friends who have had, and Also there's the thought of another one is well, we didn't really get to this in the session and I really want to make sure that they know this so that they can take this with them for this week. So you really need to Listen to what those thoughts are, have that awareness, because then you can decide what the best approach is in how to handle it.
Speaker 1:12:19
If you don't want to feel rude, for example, then you can say to them I don't want to feel, I don't want you to feel rude. I don't or I don't want you to feel offended. I don't mean to be rude. I hope you know I value this conversation and I want to make sure that we can have it in a productive way. So let's talk about it next week, something like that.
Speaker 1:12:41
Right, you could offer to have them email you or send you an email. I don't love that idea because that just creates more work, quite frankly. But if that is a boundary that you know, that is not important to you. If you're okay with having them email you for something else, then by all means, then that's just not a boundary that you need to set and go ahead and have them email it to you, but just making sure that you're conveying that the conversation is important to you, they are important to you, but you have other clients that are also waiting and you want to be mindful of their time. And Then that brings me right into boundaries with In terms of boundaries with clients, boundaries with how they contact you. So how do you want them to reach out to you and when do you want them to reach out to you? Right? If they are Texting you, are you okay with that? If they're emailing you, are you okay with that? Do you want to set a boundary with the time of day in which you'll respond to Comments or communication from clients? That's something that I think is really helpful for you to get clear on and then for you to be clear with them about, so that they know what the expectation is and they know what your you know guidelines are, your how you operate.
Speaker 1:14:09
I Don't see a problem with you saying as a policy in your practice you know, these are the hours of operation. Any communication that happens outside of these hours may not be Addressed until the following business day, or something like that. Or you could put on an away message oh my gosh, and away message. Did I just say that? Oh, let me say kind of feel old, not in a way message, but a an auto reply on your email, where when they email you after hours, that response kicks in automatically and you know thank you for your email, I will. You can expect a response within the next 24 hours, or something like that. Right, there's lots of systems and and processes that you can put in place to save you time and make this easier.
Speaker 1:15:07
But pay attention again to what the thoughts are, because if you're thinking, well, if I don't respond to them, they're gonna go somewhere else. Well, that's a problem. We need to talk about that. We need to look at that and see Is that really true? Can you sustain responding to everyone? Is it a problem if they go somewhere else? Right, these are questions that you can ask yourself.
Speaker 1:15:29
And then the last thing, when it comes to boundaries with the clients themselves, is the what I call the extras for the clients. So, for example, if you're private pay and you are Reaching out and contacting insurance companies trying to help the family get coverage, get reimbursed for your service. Is that working for you, right? Is that something you are willing to do? If it's something that you're happy to do and willing to do, then by all means. If you want to spend your time doing that, then you can. But if that's weighing on you, if that's taking up time that you don't have or that you don't want to spend, you can set the boundary and say I will not contact insurance companies directly. Here are some helpful questions you can ask your insurance company For. You know too, as you're working through coverage or something like that, right, there are ways that you can show that you care, offer support, without crossing one of your boundaries. Other extras for clients are things like calling related health professionals or emailing related health professionals. You know, sending in forms, little questions and emails that Family send you related to their child, but that are outside of the work hours that you are not billing for. Most of you are not, but some of you can well, all of you can, quite frankly. There's ways to do that if you have a boundary, and these are things that you can Create in writing in your policy. I'm sure that if you had a written policy in place about Phone calls with families being charged for a certain amount of money you know, charging a certain amount of money for those calls I bet it would reduce the number of calls that you get.
Speaker 1:17:35
Just a thought. Or it's going to weed out the families who might call because they're frantic and panicked with questions, but it's just because they're heightened and they're not being charged. They're frantic and panicked with questions, but it's just because they're heightened. In that moment they're not actually going to really follow through with what it is that you're saying. I'm just telling it like it is. I've been there too as a client with my Kids, like when I have something that in the moment I'm kind of freaking out about and I'm really worried. So I make a phone call or I send an email about it and then after a little bit of time my anxiety lowers and it's not as big of a deal as it doesn't feel as big of a deal as I as it did when I initially reached out, and so I've kind of moved on by the time I get the response Right. I'm just being honest that I can't think of an example of when I've done that, but I have definitely done that with my kids, with my own kids. So I think that it's okay to put those boundaries in place, as long as you're really clear on what's working for you and you're really clear with your clients about what those boundaries are, all right. So we talked about boundaries with the types of clients you treat and we talked about boundaries with the clients themselves.
Speaker 1:18:52
The third area Is related to boundaries with the times that you treat. Now I want, I know, let me back up. I know so many private practice owners who decided to open up their private practice because they wanted more time for themselves, for their family, they wanted more flexibility, they didn't want to have to work long days and work days and times that other people decided they needed to work Fantastic, that is one of the best, in my opinion, one of the best advantages of running your own business. But what often happens is then and maybe you can relate to this as you're listening is then you find that it's hard to turn it off. You find that it's hard to set those boundaries with your schedule where you are always bringing new clients on because you feel like you have to. I don't know. You feel like you have to take anyone who calls you kind of going back to our first point and you don't want to miss out on income or leave money on the table because now you're responsible for making your own money. You're not getting a paycheck every week. You have to go out and create that money.
Speaker 1:20:17
What I invite my coaching clients to do is to first just kind of dream a little bit about what their ideal schedule would look like. Ask yourself, what would my ideal schedule look like? I'm not just talking about your work schedule, but I'm also talking about the time outside of work. How much time do you want to be in your business? How much time do you want to work in your practice? Then you need to take that one step further and just get a little bit more practical with it and ask yourself how many hours do I actually have? How many hours do I have available to work?
Speaker 1:21:07
This is especially important for those of you who are parents, particularly parents of small children. But really parents that have children at any age is figuring out how many hours do you have to work. You've asked yourself how many do you want to work, but now it's about asking yourself how many hours are available. I know for me during the school year I have basically from nine to two every day without my kids. That's the available time I have, but that is the only time I have. If I budget all of that time for working in my practice, then that leaves little time left. It leaves no time left for doing the other things until before the kids wake up or after they go to bed, those other things that I might want to do or need to do to run my house, run my family. Have some time for myself.
Speaker 1:22:03
You have to get really clear on how much available time do you have and how many of those available hours do you want to use. Then you need to make sure that you're factoring in time for treating versus time for running the business itself. This is that old thing that we always are used to hearing. Is working in your business versus working on your business. Getting very clear about what are the other tasks that have to get done for my private practice or for whatever setting you work in. Making sure that you have time allotted for that, not just time for treatment, direct service not just time for that. That's like a numbers game that is just sit down, pen and paper pencil and paper run the numbers, figure it out and then decide what days and what times you're going to stick with.
Speaker 1:23:02
Remember, these boundaries can always change. Your life is going to change the season of life that you're in, your needs and your values and your interests all of those things are going to change. This does not have to be a permanent decision. In fact, it shouldn't be a permanent decision. This is something that you should probably revisit often, regularly, because it will change. That's not a problem. In fact, one of the beauties of being a private practice owner is that you get to decide that it's fantastic. Don't make that a problem. Boundaries with the times that you treat.
Speaker 1:23:48
And then the fourth area that I want to talk about is boundaries with your team or your contractors or your employees. This could also apply for those of you that are listening who don't have team members, or you are one of the team members. Maybe you're not the owner, but you're one of the team members Really anybody that works with other people. Listen up, because this will apply to you what I'm talking about here when I say boundaries with others, with team members, with contractors, whoever is those moments where or those instances where you're in your workspace and you're being interrupted and you are having conversations and you get distracted and you're veering off track. You are helping others troubleshoot things or figure things out. You have to think about what this looks like for you. Decide, first and foremost especially for those of you that own your practice is starting with what boundaries you want in place in order to preserve both your business and your sanity. If you are the private practice owner and you have employees or contractors, you have to be really clear on how much time do you have to spend with them and contacting them, talking with them, supporting them, versus the other things that you need to get done without interruption. I always like to ask my coaching clients what are your triggers, what are the things that just set you off? If you don't know what they are? If you stop and ask yourself, I'm sure you can think of what they are.
Speaker 1:25:50
For me, I know I get very triggered by auditory noise. I get very triggered by noise If there's a lot of noise happening, when I'm trying to, really almost anytime, but if I'm trying to think or trying to work, trying to do things, I get triggered when it's a noisy environment. Sometimes it takes me a few minutes to realize that that's what's happening, because what first happens is I start to get anxious or I get annoyed. I get distracted and I'm being short with people, I'm kind of coming across as rude and I'm realizing oh, wait a second, I need a moment of quiet, I just need quiet for a minute. For me, that's one trigger I also sometimes get triggered by I'm trying to think of how to say this. I get triggered by converse.
Speaker 1:26:51
Like small talk is a trigger for me If I am, especially if I'm trying to get work done now. Now I work by myself, so it's not really an issue. Actually, small talk kind of sounds nice because it's a little bit quiet around here the whole time while I'm working. But just you know, when I'm trying to work on something and someone's making small talk and it's not related to anything that I'm doing and there doesn't really seem to be a purpose in the conversation, I get a little bit annoyed and so I have to check myself because you don't wanna be rude, you don't wanna, you know, you don't wanna offend anyone and you also wanna be a human, like it's okay to have small talk, it's okay to connect with people, right. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's not okay, but just recognizing that and being aware of it so that I can manage my responses okay.
Speaker 1:27:49
So, once you have your boundaries in mind and you know what your triggers are, I also like to ask clients to think about what helps you function best, like what kind of ideal scenario? When do you get your best work done? What needs to be in place Because you can utilize some of those things to support yourself in creating boundaries with your team members? So I'll give you an example If you function best with headphones, like I usually do good work when I have my headphones in and I'm listening to music, so that is something that I could do, although there are certain tasks that that really actually does not work well for me. So I have to kind of be cognizant of that and decide accordingly. But do you need an open door? Do you need a window? Do you need a closed door? Thinking about what helps you function best so that you can create that environment and that will help kind of establish and maintain some of the boundaries with your coworkers. That might not really make much sense to you as you're listening to this, but sometimes if you kind of share those things with your team, they know oh okay, she's working, I can't interrupt her.
Speaker 1:29:10
I had a coaching client that I worked with that she did this with her headphones. They knew that when her headphones were in she could not be interrupted, like she was just in the zone and just come back later. So kind of having those little cues I guess you could say are helpful. And then, with those things in mind so the boundaries to preserve your sanity and your business, knowing what your triggers are, knowing what helps you function with those in mind, then think about what kind of culture do you wanna create in your business? What kind of dynamic, what kind of work environment do you want to create, and how can you create that environment while establishing and maintaining the boundaries that you need in place to do your best work?
Speaker 1:30:07
So I had a coaching client who she might be listening, I'm not sure, but she needed to get. She was a private practice owner with lots of a big team and she needed to get work done during the day. Shocking, right. But she was saying to me that she couldn't get anything done because she was always being called on to help with something or to answer a question and she was being interrupted and you know, she was always putting out fires and she felt like it was like playing whack-a-mole, like she would sit down and she would start to do something and then something would pop up and she would go handle it. And then she'd sit down, try to do her work and then something else would pop up and she'd have to go handle it. And the result of that was that she was always falling behind. She was falling behind on her administrative work and she was taking work home with her, which is we're gonna talk about that in a minute she was taking home, taking work home with her and falling behind, and she wasn't growing.
Speaker 1:31:07
She wasn't able to build the practice in a way that aligned with what the business plan was, and so we talked about some. First of all, we talked about why that was happening. I said well, why can't you close your door in your office? You have an office, right, so can you sit in your office and shut the door and get work done? And the thought that came up for her was oh, I don't wanna be rude, I don't wanna be standoffish, I don't want my employees to think that they can't, that I'm not supporting them and they can't come to me. I wanna be approachable and I want to have that connection with them Understood, but you also wanna have a private practice that is successful and that stays afloat, right? So let's talk about ways that you can kind of create both.
Speaker 1:32:01
So what we did was we created pockets of what I call deep work into her schedule, where her team knew that those were the times that she could not be interrupted, and then we made a list of exceptions. So it was okay, if you are, you know, between 12 and two, my door's gonna be shut. I'll be in my office working. If you need this, this, this, go ahead and come in, otherwise, please don't interrupt me. I mean, we, you know, we kind of said it a little nicer than that, but that was the general idea, right? So we had a list of exceptions of like what we would call emergencies, and Then we also came up with a communication plan so that if an employee or, yeah, an employee, or a therapist or whoever needed to reach her, needed to ask for something and she was in the middle of her deep work, then we decided that they would communicate via I think it was slack.
Speaker 1:33:05
They use slack or I think at one point it was an email, and then that was kind of creating too much, too much follow-up, so you have to play around with this. But I mean this could be as simple as like right, have a dry erase board and your team members just kind of write it down there and so they remember to address it later when you're not in the middle of your deep work. So there are ways that you can work around this where you're able to create those boundaries but still have a Work environment that feels fun and energetic and supportive and connected, because at the end of the day, that is what it's all about. But you also need to make sure that you have the time To get the things done that you need to get done, or else you're gonna wind up in a place of burnout. Okay, I know I told you for, but I do have a bonus one that I want to add.
Speaker 1:34:04
So I mentioned this a minute ago but the the fifth boundary, the bonus boundary that I see missing in SLPs and other you know, related to health professionals, pts, ot's, mental health professionals, even people who don't work in the Medical field or the related health professional field, is boundaries with bringing work home. So so many of us, so many SLPs that I see, are talking about how they're bringing home documentation that they have to Write, that they have to write at home, because there's not enough time built into their schedule to get the documentation done. They don't have time to prep for their sessions, they don't have time to, you know, at work, they don't have time to write their reports in the office and, similarly to what we were talking about earlier, responding the emails, checking email, responding to email, all of that stuff when you're not quote-unquote on the clock. Now I encourage anytime I went, well, I really encourage anyone to Try and create or to create boundaries in this arena.
Speaker 1:35:19
But I understand that there are Some people, depending upon what setting you work in, where you might not really be able to do this as well or as easily as others. So there's some of you who, if you work in a school or you work for a private practice, you might feel like there's simply no way that you can get it all done at work and you have to take it home with you or else you're gonna fall behind or you won't have a job. And so one of the things I work with clients on is just checking that first, like actually ask yourself is that true? Do you have to take it home with you? Are you being paid for that time? Most of you are not, and that's a that's a problem. I'm developing a hiccup as I'm talking about this. It's like my body is is rejecting the idea of Bringing work home, but I just I see this in our field as a really big problem and I don't see it changing anytime soon unless we, as professionals, make the change, draw a line in the sand and say we are not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not bringing this home, I will do it at work and and Seeing what happens.
Speaker 1:36:40
I mean, it's just the result of bringing work home. If that is something that you don't want to do, but you're doing it anyway, it's crossing a boundary and the result of that is burnout, stress, overwhelm, exhaustion, all of those things. And For those of you who are the boss, if you are the private practice owner, are you okay with bringing work home? Do you want to bring work home or do you want to be getting all of your work done in the work day while you're at work? That is a question that you have to decide and Pay attention to I was gonna say, think about, but pay attention to what objections your brain offers you when it comes to making this decision. So, if you hear me ask that question, do you want to bring work home with you? And then your thought is well, no, but I have to because I don't have enough time During my day to get it done.
Speaker 1:37:38
Well, could we change that? Is there something that you are doing that you don't need to be doing? Is there something that can be delegated? Is there something that can be deleted? Is there something that you can do simpler or faster, that maybe doesn't have to be done perfectly, but can get done during the day to a level of Satisfaction, not perfection, and you be okay with that, because the trade-off is then you get more time to yourself, more time with your family, or more time to do whatever it is that you want to do.
Speaker 1:38:10
Right, the whole purpose for so many of us of creating our own business was to have more time, to have more time for the things that we love and the people that we love. And the reality is we are Overachievers, so many of us. We are perfectionists, we're Givers and doers and helpers, and we think that this is the way that it has to be. But if you're not enjoying it, if it's not working well for you, then let's find another way. There is another way, okay, and if you want help with that, reach out. I'm happy to talk you through it, to learn more about what exactly you're struggling with and just to open up your mindset to Possibility and the way that your days could be structured so that you do have time to spend Doing the things that you love with the people who are most important to you.
Speaker 1:39:09
All right, I said I wasn't gonna ramble and I did. I'm. I promise I'm gonna get better at this as I continue with the podcast, with this new focus or this narrower that's a very hard word to say narrower focus on SLPs, but that's all I've got for today's episode on boundaries in the workplace. I hope this was helpful. If you're still here, leave a review. If you don't mind, do you have a minute? It will only take a minute. Just you can click the stars and and you can leave a written review if you feel inclined. It just helps other people to find the podcast and I really appreciate reading them and seeing them and Join us next week in the Facebook group, because on Monday, that would be Monday, july 24th.
Speaker 1:40:05
I'm just trying to think of when this episode is airing Monday, july 24th. We are doing a Free Facebook training, facebook live all about boundaries. I've been doing it every Monday this month and I would love to have you so you can click the link in the show notes to join. All right, have a great week. I'll talk to y'all next Tuesday.
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